How best to lay this out

[JD01]

Traps really just need to go about halfway - right in the middle. Ideally they'd go floor to ceiling and be really thick in the ceiling/floor corners, but if you cover the middle 50% of the corner you'll be fine.

So if you have say 8ft ceiling, just go 2ft up - 4ft trap - 2ft to ceiling.

Instead of trapping behind the monitors, trapping the ceiling/wall corner right above your listening position might be better.

So trap the corners behind you, trap the ceiling above you, and get your side-to-side first reflection points.

Excellent, thanks.

So, just to confirm - you mean something like this?

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With the actual size of my room, my 2nd reflection point (is this a thing?) will actually be above my cab and the back of the door, roughly - I'll also go for wibbly foam squares there too.

[Greg_L]

Not quite. First off, don't worry about your cab. You're close miking with dynamic cardioids, so the room has a very minimal effect on that.

I'm assuming the red things are traps.

The corner traps are fine.

I was talking about a trap above the window, over the desk, cutting across the wall/ceiling corner. Like if you're sitting and look up you'll be looking right at it. Or make a cloud hanging right over you. The first reflection points will be approximately at ear level on the walls to your sides. Think about where the monitor sound will ricochet off the walls and hit your ears. That's your first reflection. Traps or diffusers there would be good. But that room is so small, they might not matter. Focus on corners first.

[JD01]

Not quite. First off, don't worry about your cab. You're close miking with dynamic cardioids, so the room has a very minimal effect on that.

I'm assuming the red things are traps.

The corner traps are fine.

I was talking about a trap above the window, over the desk, cutting across the wall/ceiling corner. Like if you're sitting and look up you'll be looking right at it. Or make a cloud hanging right over you. The first reflection points will be approximately at ear level on the walls to your sides. Think about where the monitor sound will ricochet off the walls and hit your ears. That's your first reflection. Traps or diffusers there would be good. But that room is so small, they might not matter. Focus on corners first.

Excellent - cheers. That will also be much easier to install, as it will be right above the curtain rail. Yeah - red is what I was using for traps/treatment
For my first reflection points I was going to use things like these:
https://www.gear4music.com/Recording-an ... YcQAvD_BwE

Also, do you think these things would work as a cloud given that its a pretty small space?
https://www.studiospares.com/Studio-Gea ... lsrc=aw.ds
Was thinking I could get one right above me going across the room and one a bit further back also going across the room - there's a light fitting hanging down in the middle of the room.

Won't be getting the carpet fitted for about two weeks so I have a couple of weeks to design, plan and build all this stuff. So when the carpet is fitted I can get all my gear. Aside from wanting to record, I'm looking forward to hearing some music in there that I know well and really thinking about what I'm hearing and stuff.

Cheers for your help with this, mate.

[Tadpui]

For determining first reflection points, Google the mirror trick and that'll get you going.

[Greg_L]

Excellent - cheers. That will also be much easier to install, as it will be right above the curtain rail. Yeah - red is what I was using for traps/treatment
For my first reflection points I was going to use things like these:
https://www.gear4music.com/Recording-an ... YcQAvD_BwE

Also, do you think these things would work as a cloud given that its a pretty small space?
https://www.studiospares.com/Studio-Gea ... lsrc=aw.ds
Was thinking I could get one right above me going across the room and one a bit further back also going across the room - there's a light fitting hanging down in the middle of the room.

Won't be getting the carpet fitted for about two weeks so I have a couple of weeks to design, plan and build all this stuff. So when the carpet is fitted I can get all my gear. Aside from wanting to record, I'm looking forward to hearing some music in there that I know well and really thinking about what I'm hearing and stuff.

Cheers for your help with this, mate.

Both of those products would probably be adequate. They're better than nothing. I'd probably double up the rectangle pieces to make them twice as thick. Try it when you get them.

The pyramid diffuser things will probably be okay, but they might be better with some kind of backing layer, or an air gap off the walls.

[JD01]

Cool. Good shout. I'll probably mount them on a board and hang them so there'll be about a centimetre behind them

[Greg_L]

Cool. Good shout. I'll probably mount them on a board and hang them so there'll be about a centimetre behind them

Mount them on pegboard. The holes may help with diffusion. Maybe. It'll at least be thinner and lighter.

[JD01]

Cool. Good shout. I'll probably mount them on a board and hang them so there'll be about a centimetre behind them

Mount them on pegboard. The holes may help with diffusion. Maybe. It'll at least be thinner and lighter.

Yeah, will be easier to hang too.

[rayc]

Not balsa.

[JD01]

Custom made monitor stands done... now I can work on putting in my treatment of my 1st reflection points, ceiling clouds, amp shelf and other bits.

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[Greg_L]

Nice. Wow, that really is a closet. That might be a mix-at-low-volume kind of space.

[JD01]

Nice. Wow, that really is a closet. That might be a mix-at-low-volume kind of space.

That's actually a bedroom in UK home... probably a medium bedroom if it was a new-build.

Yeah - its a bit small, but it will actually be a planned space which will be better than the space that I have now.

Looking forward to getting it carpeted. Suppose that happens when you get older, you start looking forward to rooms getting carpeted.

[Greg_L]

Lol. I hate carpet. It's so gross. I have carpet upstairs and can't wait for the day when we rip it all out.

That room will, at least sonically, probably benefit from carpet though.

[JD01]

Lol. I hate carpet. It's so gross. I have carpet upstairs and can't wait for the day when we rip it all out.

That room will, at least sonically, probably benefit from carpet though.

You gonna get wood flooring throughout?
That room has horrid cheap 90s laminate floor in it - carpet and underlay will probably help prevent sound transmission to downstairs too.

Here's an interesting size comparison of houses in Wales and england, the rest of the EU and the USA.
https://www.housebeautiful.com/uk/lifes ... omparison/
You guys have much more space - but then I suppose you need it to get around the house on your electric mobility scooters.

[JD01]

These look like they'd be good for my corners - what you reckon?
https://www.thomann.de/gb/auralex_acous ... coal_4.htm

[Greg_L]

Lol. No we're just not miserable self-loathing grumps that deprive ourselves of actual living space for no fucking reason.

[JD01]

Lol. No we're just not miserable self-loathing grumps that deprive ourselves of actual living space for no fucking reason.

haha, there's those corner bass traps that I've found (link on the previous page).
From what I've read, I can skimp a bit on the general pointy/wibbly foam for my first refections 'cos that's mids and highs which is more easily dealt with but for the corner traps its worth actually spending a few quid - is that right?

[Greg_L]

These look like they'd be good for my corners - what you reckon?
https://www.thomann.de/gb/auralex_acous ... coal_4.htm

Those are really expensive. You could make something very similar with rockwool for a fraction of that cost.

Basically, any pre-made sound treatment will cost you way more money than it's real-world cost to make it yourself.

[JD01]

These look like they'd be good for my corners - what you reckon?
https://www.thomann.de/gb/auralex_acous ... coal_4.htm

Those are really expensive. You could make something very similar with rockwool for a fraction of that cost.

Basically, any pre-made sound treatment will cost you way more money than it's real-world cost to make it yourself.

Cool - I'll just take the dimensions from them and make something myself. I'll buy the foam panels.

[Greg_L]

Cool - I'll just take the dimensions from them and make something myself. I'll buy the foam panels.

I strongly believe that sound treatment is one of those areas where DIY is by far the best route if you are even remotely handy with building things. You can make like eight bass traps for the cost of one pre-made trap.