The Spaghetti Puppets

[rayc]

In a vague attempts to step away from baritone guitars and get some feedback/suggestions/commentary...

Here's the 1st post:

Spaghetti Puppets 3.mp3

and a recent, (draft vocals/melody done with a Behri dynamic, in my hand at the desk, quietly):


Some changes made based on MMM's observations. Bass level's the same though as 2 dB makes it disappear so I have to make it a small adjustment after some careful listening.

New mix - bass lower, (I did that via the compression return), left guitar a little louder with it & the cello balanced in the solo. Things a tiny bit brighter..but tiny at theis stage. I've addressed the sibilant stuff and noise from the vocal so that it's not masking the guitars.
The original Pygmy Beat vocalist may be having a crack at this one.


This has the original Pygmy Beat Singer on it.
Fairly simple treatment so far as he's only sent me 192 MP3s...I HOPE I'll get something better from him sonically. There're artefacts & that low res MP3 sound which I've combated with some trickery but it'll be better with decent files I hope.


27/06/23 mix.
24 bit .wav files for the main vocal this time. A little less snare n kick plus raised the "solos" a bit.

Spaghetti Puppets 16.mp3

The Spaghetti Puppets

V1 No, there's nothing to say,
When your mind's made up,
It's down to you.
No, no reason to stay,
For me & you

C1 The age of entitlement,
Eclipsed the age of enlightenment.
The age of conspiracy,
Eclipsed the age of you & me.
It comes - to this. It's down to you.

V2 No, there's nothing to do,
When the time is up,
It's up to you.
No, you know that it's true,
The truth we knew.

C2 The age of entitlement,
Eclipsed the age of enlightenment.
The rage for conspiracy
Eclipsed believability.
It's comes - to this. For all we knew.

V3 No, there's nothing to change,
When the jig is up,
There are no tricks.
No, now reason is gone,
We cannot fix.

C3 The age of entitlement,
Eclipsed the age of enlightenment.
The ageing conspiracy
Eclipsed the grasp of history.
It's come - to this. Nought we can do.

C4 The age of entitlement

The age of conspiracy

It's come - to this.

[TripleM]

I liked the bass sound on both mixes. It might be a bit loud. But it sounded good.

I thought the second mix was definitely better. The tremolo guitar on the first mix didn't sound right to me. It's much better in the second mix.

The guitars all have a slight bit of dullness to them. They might sound better with a little high-mid boost. Maybe centered around 3500hz or so. Just a db or two.

The vocal has a bit of a "sung through a cardboard tube" sound to it.

Hang on... on second listen, there is something I like better in the first mix. There is a rhythm guitar part on the left. It starts at about :20. It's kind of a chugging rhythm part - I like that. I don't hear it on the second mix.

[rayc]

I liked the bass sound on both mixes. It might be a bit loud. But it sounded good.
I thought the second mix was definitely better. The tremolo guitar on the first mix didn't sound right to me. It's much better in the second mix.
The guitars all have a slight bit of dullness to them. They might sound better with a little high-mid boost. Maybe centered around 3500hz or so. Just a db or two.
The vocal has a bit of a "sung through a cardboard tube" sound to it.
Hang on... on second listen, there is something I like better in the first mix. There is a rhythm guitar part on the left. It starts at about :20. It's kind of a chugging rhythm part - I like that. I don't hear it on the second mix.

Thanks.
Okay,
I've tried to lower the bass but it's a dicey thing that'll take some work adjusting.
The trem in the 1st was toooooo deeeep I think.
I've added a little peak at 3500 on the guitars that weren't already bright.
I dragged in the chugging guitar you liked. It's there on the L again.
The vocals, as explained...softly into a hand held cheap dynamic then Normalized becasue of it. Sounds awful but it gave me the chance to sketch the melody and test the lyrics.
PHANQUE.
New mix up.

[vomitHatSteve]

Jumping in on 10

Something is bending it's pitch at 0:11. I think it's the lead guitar, but it's making it sound like the bass is out of tune. I'm noticing a couple moments like that in the intro

I like the vocal delivery on this one

Mix-wise, I would probably take the guitar down a notch or two.

[rayc]

Jumping in on 10

Something is bending it's pitch at 0:11. I think it's the lead guitar, but it's making it sound like the bass is out of tune. I'm noticing a couple moments like that in the intro

I like the vocal delivery on this one

Mix-wise, I would probably take the guitar down a notch or two.

Thanks Steve,
I was experimenting with the trem bar as it is spaghetti. Clearly not enough bend to get away with. I'll fix that.
Which guitar? The bent note one?

[TripleM]

Listening to 10.

I think the bass is too loud. By at least a couple db's IMO.

I'd turn up that guitar on the left that I like.

I'd still say that, in general, the electric rhythm guitars could be a bit brighter.

[rayc]

VERSION 11.
I've accentuated the tem bar wobble of the lead as it was only noticeable enough to be a problem...now it moves a semi tone.
Lowered the bass a bit and some more.

[vomitHatSteve]

Jumping in on 10

Something is bending it's pitch at 0:11. I think it's the lead guitar, but it's making it sound like the bass is out of tune. I'm noticing a couple moments like that in the intro

I like the vocal delivery on this one

Mix-wise, I would probably take the guitar down a notch or two.

Thanks Steve,
I was experimenting with the trem bar as it is spaghetti. Clearly not enough bend to get away with. I'll fix that.
Which guitar? The bent note one?

That's what's weird about it, is that it's hard to tell. I think it's probably the lead (especially if you're bending it with the trem bar)

Also, I meant to say I'd take the bass down a notch. I don't know why I typed guitar.

I'll check out mix 11 after I get out of this meeting.

[vomitHatSteve]

The bass turned down is definitely an improvement, yeah.

[TripleM]

I like the bass level on 11. I also like the level of that guitar on the left.

Maybe the snare and kick are just a bit loud?

I think the trem stuff sounds good now.

[rayc]

New mix with vocals from a decent singer. Terry was the original PB singer...Greg played drums on several songs featuring him.

[rayc]

I like the bass level on 11. I also like the level of that guitar on the left.
Maybe the snare and kick are just a bit loud?
I think the trem stuff sounds good now.

I've been wondering about the drums but no one had mentioned them. I'll get on to that tomorrow. THANKS.

[vomitHatSteve]

No nits on the new vocalist.

I would point out that your post describes the second mix as "most recent" still tho.

[Alison]

Just trying to catch up on some music I've missed lately and I'm coming in on mix 11.

Really like this, Ray, it's such a different style from what I'm used to hearing from you! To my ear, everything sounds really clean and clear. Well done!

[rayc]

a) No nits on the new vocalist.

b) I would point out that your post describes the second mix as "most recent" still tho.

a) Thanks
b) I hoped that the numeration of the mixes would save me having to edit but I shall...thanks.

[rayc]

Just trying to catch up on some music I've missed lately and I'm coming in on mix 11.

Really like this, Ray, it's such a different style from what I'm used to hearing from you! To my ear, everything sounds really clean and clear. Well done!

Thanks Alison.
It's an easy/fun one.

[vomitHatSteve]

b) I hoped that the numeration of the mixes would save me having to edit but I shall...thanks.

Once I realized what order the mixes went in, I was able to figure it out, but I did definitely click the wrong one the first time!

[Greg_L]

Ray you gotta come up with a better system. This is a mess. You don't need to keep every version of every tweak on every mix. I have no idea which one to listen to.

[rayc]

Ray you gotta come up with a better system. This is a mess. You don't need to keep every version of every tweak on every mix. I have no idea which one to listen to.

They are sorted numerically but yes, it's not a system. I symptom of laziness perhaps.

[TheTestingYak]

good choon brav