Hearing Test Reveals some cool stuff.

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In light of recent health issues and tinnitus being a new thing i have to deal with my Dr. Sent me off for a full meal deal of a hearing test. While it didn't reveal anything alarming causing the tinnitus (a good thing) it did shed some light on something interesting.

for a while anytime I have posted up full mixes the biggest nits I got are "Your mix leans left?" and "your mix / vocals lack high end sparkle"

turns out my left ear has some issues with the bass freq's from about 500hz and down and I'd be compensating for that and it would be throwing off my mixes a bit. Kinda cool. She said that what i am having issues hearing on the left aren't so great that it is obvious and my brain just kind of rides it's own EQ with the right ear and that is probably where the issue lies.

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In other really cool news though, i made it into a very tiny percent of people who made it to the end of a particular test. It started out with background noise that sounded like you were in a packed pub or gathering place and then a woman's voice would say a sentence and I'd have to repeat back what she said in full. each sentence that was read out, the background crowd chatter got more loud and obnoxious. Most people only make it about 4 of the 6 levels in and she stops. I made it all he way to end on each ear and managed to pick out three words on the left ear and four on the right on the very last level. She said she might see five or six people a year that make it to the end and at most those folks can only pick out one or two words.

I feel like i deserve a prize but alas, all i got was a 95 dollar invoice. :lollers: :lollers:
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My wife just had one of those done a couple of months ago, and she just got hearing aids last week. Her chart looked much more dramatic, but I'll have to go check the scale of the dBs on the vertical axis, it could have just been a different scale. Maybe Canadian dBs are worth more :D

Her deficiency was all right in the 500-4K range, right where the bulk of human speech lives. Sometimes now I think she's left the house because I don't hear the TV blasting at max volume from 3 rooms away :D

That's some great info to have, I'd actually like to have one of those tests done just out of curiosity. But it'd cost me way more than $95 because America, and it isn't medically/occupationally necessary. Congrats on your Super Pub Hearing!
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Tadpui wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 4:10 pm My wife just had one of those done a couple of months ago, and she just got hearing aids last week. Her chart looked much more dramatic, but I'll have to go check the scale of the dBs on the vertical axis, it could have just been a different scale. Maybe Canadian dBs are worth more :D

Her deficiency was all right in the 500-4K range, right where the bulk of human speech lives. Sometimes now I think she's left the house because I don't hear the TV blasting at max volume from 3 rooms away :D

That's some great info to have, I'd actually like to have one of those tests done just out of curiosity. But it'd cost me way more than $95 because America, and it isn't medically/occupationally necessary. Congrats on your Super Pub Hearing!
YOUVE DEAFENED YOUR WIFE WITH ALL YOUR COOL AMPS!!!!! How do you sleep at night Tad!!??? :lollers2: :lollers2: :lollers2:

There is no way your hearing tests down there would exceed 100 bucks would they? Like these tests aren't covered under out group plan but we have a health spending account they are recoverable on. I had to pay out of pocket for it first up front. I feel like in a private health care system that is something you could get done at fairly cheap down there?
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I had an auditory test about six months ago or so. Mine was pretty good until a steep decline at 8k in one ear more than the other but both suggest tinnitus and age have take away the top end.
Mine was FREE! Based on the national health care system Medicare. Some companies charge above the free rate so there are out of pocket expenses that private cover has to address but not my hearing test.
Glad you have some numbers and some positives coming from it Shan.
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Did you have one of those "Oh, I should have probably cleaned the wax out of my ears" moments before the physical examination I assume was part of it... :lollers:

I'm sure I could get a free test from any one of a number of companies flogging hearing aids. Or on the national scheme, had I reason to do so. I have tinnitus in the left ear which is annoying not so much because it's constant, but because it changes pitch because I have narrow tubes, so when I swallow etc. I just try to ignore it as best I can.
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Tadpui wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 4:10 pm
Her deficiency was all right in the 500-4K range, right where the bulk of human speech lives. Sometimes now I think she's left the house because I don't hear the TV blasting at max volume from 3 rooms away :D
"Honey, I definitely told you..." :biggrin:

Could be handy. Also, is a guitarist selecting a mate with hearing issues a deliberate evolutionary ploy ... :suspicious:
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WhiskeyJack wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:57 pm

YOUVE DEAFENED YOUR WIFE WITH ALL YOUR COOL AMPS!!!!! How do you sleep at night Tad!!??? :lollers2: :lollers2: :lollers2:
Pretty well since he can't hear the background noise!
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I've never had my hearing tested. Honestly, I don't even wanna know. I think it's still pretty good, all things considered. I do spend a lot of time around very loud drums and amps but I always wear hearing protection. I still hear the useful high frequencies pretty good.

It's funny....sometimes I'll do those sine wave sweeps through my monitors and up around 15-16 khz I can't hear it anymore but my wife and kids and dogs will be freaking the hell out in the other rooms of the house.
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I asked my wife what her test cost, and it was just a couple of $20 copays. So that's not bad at all. Of course she had to go through the rigmarole of going to her primary and getting a referral to the auditory specialist so that's 2 doctor visits. But not as bad as I thought cost-wise.

Now the hearing aids are a different story. She hasn't settled on the final teeny-tiny ones she'll be wearing, but a friend of hers paid over $3K per ear for hers. The auditory doctor confirmed that most insurance doesn't pay much towards the hardware itself. Not looking forward to that bill...
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Tadpui wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:21 pm I asked my wife what her test cost, and it was just a couple of $20 copays. So that's not bad at all. Of course she had to go through the rigmarole of going to her primary and getting a referral to the auditory specialist so that's 2 doctor visits. But not as bad as I thought cost-wise.

Now the hearing aids are a different story. She hasn't settled on the final teeny-tiny ones she'll be wearing, but a friend of hers paid over $3K per ear for hers. The auditory doctor confirmed that most insurance doesn't pay much towards the hardware itself. Not looking forward to that bill...
Yea the hardware cost an arm and leg here as well. Better off with an old ear horn something. You'd be way more fashionable as well. πŸ˜€
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Pretty interesting stuff @WhiskeyJack

Somewhere between 10k and 11k is where I lose my ability to hear.

Which is natural for people over 50.

It is said that most people over 18 cannot hear anything 17.4k and above.

I have read that some teens use this tone as a ringtone or alert sound so their parents are unaware :minernuggs:
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I just tried on my phone and lost it at about 12k, but who knows what a phone is actually capable of reproducing. Might try it on the PC later.
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musicturtle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:09 pm I have read that some teens use this tone as a ringtone or alert sound so their parents are unaware :minernuggs:
Clever!

Two people I collaborated in BIAB land with have hearing aids. They have really expensive ones tuned specifically to assist them doing home recording supposedly. I guess it can be tweaked but I do know that each of them has holes in their mixes and neither could/wanted to be told about it.
That made them difficult to collab with. That's the past now & we won't be working together again.

Being open and honest with self and others is as important with hearing as anything else.

My old man denies his hearing loss completely...he just turns the TV up louder - that doesn't work for the rest of the world becasue he sits about 5m from the thing so the neighbours enjoy it too.
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rayc wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 7:16 pm
Clever!

Two people I collaborated in BIAB land with have hearing aids. They have really expensive ones tuned specifically to assist them doing home recording supposedly. I guess it can be tweaked but I do know that each of them has holes in their mixes and neither could/wanted to be told about it.
That made them difficult to collab with. That's the past now & we won't be working together again.

Being open and honest with self and others is as important with hearing as anything else.

My old man denies his hearing loss completely...he just turns the TV up louder - that doesn't work for the rest of the world becasue he sits about 5m from the thing so the neighbours enjoy it too.
Yeah it's funny...

I visit this site called Sound Gym and it has ear training exercises for recording. Tests your ability to hear panning, gain and eq.

On the eq exercise, whenever I cannot hear a difference between the two examples, I click between 10k and 11k. Almost without fail, it tells me I am right :smiles:
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I might try this myself actually - there's gotta be a hearing test available online where I can just check.
I know I've got quite bad surfer's ear but that probably protects my actual sense of hearing while affecting my ability to actually hear.
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musicturtle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:09 pm It is said that most people over 18 cannot hear anything 17.4k and above.
Ok i just tried this. I def can't hear the 17.4K. lol. I did another one that did a sweep from 0 thru to 20000k. It went pretty quick and can't say for certain but i lost recognition at about 16500K-ish.

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OK, here's a YouTube hearing test.
I can feel it pretty much straight away but I start being able to hear it at about 24hz, gets notably louder around 40hz though and again around 75hz.
Getting above about 230 it's starting to get uncomfortable and I'm turning the volume down.
Weird thing - as it comes up I can hear the pitch of the sine wave increasing but I can also hear another note at a constant pitch - anyone else get this?
Had to turn it down again at 2000hz - really nasty.
Possible slight perceived drop in volume from 4-6000 which then recovers again
Then a definite drop off from 7.5k another drop off at 11k and 13k
By about 15k I can just about perceive it as an irritation, by 16k I'm pretty much deaf.

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JD01 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:35 pm OK, here's a YouTube hearing test.
I can feel it pretty much straight away but I start being able to hear it at about 24hz, gets notably louder around 40hz though and again around 75hz.
Getting above about 230 it's starting to get uncomfortable and I'm turning the volume down.
Weird thing - as it comes up I can hear the pitch of the sine wave increasing but I can also hear another note at a constant pitch - anyone else get this?
Had to turn it down again at 2000hz - really nasty.
Possible slight perceived drop in volume from 4-6000 which then recovers again
Then a definite drop off from 7.5k another drop off at 11k and 13k
By about 15k I can just about perceive it as an irritation, by 16k I'm pretty much deaf.

Did you do this on headphones?
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musicturtle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:10 pm
Did you do this on headphones?
Yeah, my reference cans.
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Well I got a better result on my laptop than on my phone. Just. I'm telling myself it's the sound card / speakers... :eek:

I'll try it upstairs later on the recording PC.
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