You're A Disease

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Bubba wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:41 am
JD01 wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:14 am
Cheers, there's no compression on the mix I'll try it. I've never compressed a whole mix before other than using Event Horizon as a limiter. What's the easiest way of doing this? Sticking the entire thing in a folder and sticking the compressor on the folder?
Strap it across the stereo buss before your limiter(use a stereo comp, obviously!) Start with a low ratio, like 1.5:1 and middling attack and release. A/B it to make sure there's no volume change. If it's quieter then use the makeup gain (or equivalent control)to bring it up again.
Stereo buss: What is this?
Before limiter: How do I put something before my limiter?
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JD01 wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:14 am
Bubba wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:41 am

Strap it across the stereo buss before your limiter(use a stereo comp, obviously!) Start with a low ratio, like 1.5:1 and middling attack and release. A/B it to make sure there's no volume change. If it's quieter then use the makeup gain (or equivalent control)to bring it up again.
Stereo buss: What is this?
Before limiter: How do I put something before my limiter?
You are familiar with the Mixer screen on Reaper? Well the stereo buss is the same as the master buss. Where the master fader and the meters are? Stacked above it are the lists of plugins, sends and receives that you've applied to that channel. The top list is the plugins, and that's where you would put your limiter when Mixing Down, yes? Well the top plugin in the list is where your mix hits first, then so on down the list. The last plugin should be your mastering limiter.

If you don't already know this, the order in which you put your plugins on this list and on your individual tracks can have a dramatic effect on the ensuing sound. Almost as much of an effect as the plugins themselves.
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Bubba wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:24 am
JD01 wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:14 am
Stereo buss: What is this?
Before limiter: How do I put something before my limiter?
You are familiar with the Mixer screen on Reaper? Well the stereo buss is the same as the master buss. Where the master fader and the meters are? Stacked above it are the lists of plugins, sends and receives that you've applied to that channel. The top list is the plugins, and that's where you would put your limiter when Mixing Down, yes? Well the top plugin in the list is where your mix hits first, then so on down the list. The last plugin should be your mastering limiter.

If you don't already know this, the order in which you put your plugins on this list and on your individual tracks can have a dramatic effect on the ensuing sound. Almost as much of an effect as the plugins themselves.
Cool - I didn't know that master buss and stereo buss were the same thing. I don't have lists of plugsins sends and recieves, I think I might have it set up slightly different to you. But if I click on FX my list of plugins appears. I had no idea that the order affected them. I'll have to give this some thought - I don't generally use many plugins except on vocals, where I might have an EQ, compressor and maybe even a delay.
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JD01 wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:46 am
Bubba wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:24 am

You are familiar with the Mixer screen on Reaper? Well the stereo buss is the same as the master buss. Where the master fader and the meters are? Stacked above it are the lists of plugins, sends and receives that you've applied to that channel. The top list is the plugins, and that's where you would put your limiter when Mixing Down, yes? Well the top plugin in the list is where your mix hits first, then so on down the list. The last plugin should be your mastering limiter.

If you don't already know this, the order in which you put your plugins on this list and on your individual tracks can have a dramatic effect on the ensuing sound. Almost as much of an effect as the plugins themselves.
Cool - I didn't know that master buss and stereo buss were the same thing. I don't have lists of plugsins sends and recieves, I think I might have it set up slightly different to you. But if I click on FX my list of plugins appears. I had no idea that the order affected them. I'll have to give this some thought - I don't generally use many plugins except on vocals, where I might have an EQ, compressor and maybe even a delay.
On the master buss it actually only has the plugins list and a list of outputs to hardware (if you're using an external mixer etc). The channels have plugins/sends/receives lists.
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So your mixer screen doesn't look like this?
mix screen.jpg
As you can see, I have the Vladislav Goncharov Limiter No.6 ( :robus: ) on my master buss and you can see the lists of my plugins on my individual tracks. :smug:
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No, nothing like that.. in fact I don't have a mixer screen at all. I just have the faders at the bottom of my tracking screen and I click the FX button to fiddle with effects
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JD01 wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:23 am No, nothing like that.. in fact I don't have a mixer screen at all. I just have the faders at the bottom of my tracking screen and I click the FX button to fiddle with effects
Well, if you want it like that, you click and drag the top of your fader window until it becomes big enough to see all that shite. :biggrin: You can select mixer screen under the "view" tab, but I suspect you have already enabled it, but shrunk it down so you can see both at once. I could do with two screens, but for now I switch between tracking and mixing screens depending on what job I'm doing.
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Bubba wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:29 am
JD01 wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:23 am No, nothing like that.. in fact I don't have a mixer screen at all. I just have the faders at the bottom of my tracking screen and I click the FX button to fiddle with effects
Well, if you want it like that, you click and drag the top of your fader window until it becomes big enough to see all that shite. :biggrin: You can select mixer screen under the "view" tab, but I suspect you have already enabled it, but shrunk it down so you can see both at once. I could do with two screens, but for now I switch between tracking and mixing screens depending on what job I'm doing.
Cheers, didn't know that. Will try it later
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OK, I brought all of the guitars down a touch to bring the drums out more and added a bit of compression to the master buss.

The difference is pretty small now, but it definitely sounds a tiny bit better than Mix 2.

Time to park this for a few days.
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JD01 wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:46 am I don't have lists of plugsins sends and recieves, I think I might have it set up slightly different to you.
It's just a set up thing. It depends how small you make your faders. I don't see my list of plugs either, but I can if I resize my fader length.

I agree with most of the comments here. In general, every song I've heard from you the guitars sound good but are too loud, the vocals can come up, and the drums can also come up and be more in your face. Next time you mix, stop thinking like a guitar player, think like a drummer and see how that turns out.
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rammer24 wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:39 pm think like a drummer and see how that turns out.
The whole world would be a better place if everyone thought like a drummer.
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Some true shit.
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By the way, JD, did you notice that I'd split the stereo overhead track into two separate channels? I did that so I could narrow the stereo image of the kit a little. It really sounds unnatural with cymbals crashing directly into your ear'oles.
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This mix sounds much better but the vocals are still a bit too low. Just raise the level of the main vocal track, and keep the doubled track where it is.
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Bubba wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:07 pm By the way, JD, did you notice that I'd split the stereo overhead track into two separate channels? I did that so I could narrow the stereo image of the kit a little. It really sounds unnatural with cymbals crashing directly into your ear'oles.
I had no idea, how did you do that?
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ocnor wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:38 pm This mix sounds much better but the vocals are still a bit too low. Just raise the level of the main vocal track, and keep the doubled track where it is.
Cool, I'll give that a go in the morning
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JD01 wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:29 pm
Bubba wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:07 pm By the way, JD, did you notice that I'd split the stereo overhead track into two separate channels? I did that so I could narrow the stereo image of the kit a little. It really sounds unnatural with cymbals crashing directly into your ear'oles.
I had no idea, how did you do that?
It's under Item/Item processing/ Explode multichannel audio or MIDI items to new one-channel items.
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This sounds pretty good. Mix 2 and 3 sound a lot more full and lush than 1, but that might just be different volume levels between soundcloud and vlc.

I like how you edited the first post to remove your receptionist, and the next 6 posts all mention 'em! :D

I'm noticing that some of the vocals get buried in crashes.

The solo that starts at 2:54, I'd migrate closer to the center. Then pan it left when the counter-melody comes in. I'm generally of the opinion that the "lead" instrument should never be audible soley on one side.
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vomitHatSteve wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:21 pm This sounds pretty good. Mix 2 and 3 sound a lot more full and lush than 1, but that might just be different volume levels between soundcloud and vlc.

I like how you edited the first post to remove your receptionist, and the next 6 posts all mention 'em! :D

I'm noticing that some of the vocals get buried in crashes.

The solo that starts at 2:54, I'd migrate closer to the center. Then pan it left when the counter-melody comes in. I'm generally of the opinion that the "lead" instrument should never be audible soley on one side.
Cheers, steve. I know what you mean about that centre bit - something about auto panning like that just feels "wrong" to me, like its something Pink Floyd would do... saying that I quite like Pink Floyd.

Was thinking of changing that middle bit anyway - don't like it that much. Was gonna double the baseline using octave chords with a phaser one side and a wah wah on the other.
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