How not to accept constructive criticism

[WhiskeyJack]

I spent an hour listening, reading & commenting. By & large it's a dismal page.
Quite a few "prodoosahs" and not a lot of interaction. I made a few comments just to suss out the type of response and posted a song to back up my intro of welcoming constructive commentary etc. I'll check in tomorrow to see how silly things became. Oh, I commented on Tom's track - suggesting the drums let it down & it was a little dark (both correct from my perspective). Can't wait to see his response.

So it is best to not go in there and plug this place to attract some newcomers then ?

I'll be perfectly honest i have been really hesitant to pull the pin on the RecReb facebook group page or whatever. It exists. it is just still in hiding at the moment from the general public. I suspect i'll wait until the new year perhaps for the hoidays when there are more bored people surfing the net's while avoiding family they never see.

Do i sound bitter? I am bitter.

[musicturtle]

Yeah Tad,

You even gave him the obligatory compliment before critique..."Cool tune, like the vibe/feel" then went into how you might change it. I can only imagine these people in a college level musical school. My first voice teacher said after my first year with him "You said you play guitar, are you sure that's not the instrument you want to focus on?" That comment alone motivated me in many ways. Two years later he awarded me a major solo in a recital. Only after the fact did I realize what he did.

Obviously these people have no care of getting better. That's why I like this board, people here give specific feedback, positive and negative. What you do with that is up to you, including ignoring it all together. But if you post something to people who pride themselves on critical listening, you should expect some...critiques.

[rayc]

So it is best to not go in there and plug this place to attract some newcomers then ?

I'll be perfectly honest i have been really hesitant to pull the pin on the RecReb facebook group page or whatever. It exists. it is just still in hiding at the moment from the general public.

I've not really understood what we were to do with the RR fb page.
I'm happy to participate - probably when we have a plan.

[WhiskeyJack]

So it is best to not go in there and plug this place to attract some newcomers then ?

I'll be perfectly honest i have been really hesitant to pull the pin on the RecReb facebook group page or whatever. It exists. it is just still in hiding at the moment from the general public.

I've not really understood what we were to do with the RR fb page.
I'm happy to participate - probably when we have a plan.

more of a roadside billboard announcing our where abouts Ray.

[rayc]

Do you want the occasional post there or are you populating it with extractions from here?

[vomitHatSteve]

In music production, and life in general for that matter, I have found that criticism is always more well received when it is asked for.

Words to live by.

Not good words to live by, but they certainly are some kind of words to live by.

They also contain juuuust enough minor punctuation errors to be embarrassing as your yearbook quote.

[Tadpui]

when he complained about you giving a critique you should have just put the quote of the group's mission statement

Agreed! My position is if you're only interested in pats on the back, show it to your parents and not to 7500+ musicians and engineers.

I visited and clicked join so I can have a look and listen. I shan't "participate" - just a recce.
Interestingly the BIGGEST problem at BIAB is, besides the sterility of songs constructed almost exclusively by the program, is essing and plosives an vocals. Many there only add vocals and do so with large splashes of reverb that accentuate the essing from poor recording technique or mic technique.
I've offered all the available ways to address that from plug ins to mic technique but they don't seem to hear their own foibles.

Some people, you just can't reach

Yeah Tad,

You even gave him the obligatory compliment before critique..."Cool tune, like the vibe/feel" then went into how you might change it. I can only imagine these people in a college level musical school. My first voice teacher said after my first year with him "You said you play guitar, are you sure that's not the instrument you want to focus on?" That comment alone motivated me in many ways. Two years later he awarded me a major solo in a recital. Only after the fact did I realize what he did.

Obviously these people have no care of getting better. That's why I like this board, people here give specific feedback, positive and negative. What you do with that is up to you, including ignoring it all together. But if you post something to people who pride themselves on critical listening, you should expect some...critiques.

I do have to admit, there have been a few postings in the group in the last 24-48 hours that specifically request feedback. I'm not sure if that's the norm or if they saw this guy's reaction and started specifically asking for it so they aren't seen as thin-skinned wankers that only want praise.

Words to live by.

Not good words to live by, but they certainly are some kind of words to live by.

They also contain juuuust enough minor punctuation errors to be embarrassing as your yearbook quote.

Hahaha yeah, I'm still astounded by that quote. I just imagine that guy hasn't spent much time on the internet since it was invented. I'm just dumbfounded.

[WhiskeyJack]

Do you want the occasional post there or are you populating it with extractions from here?

I honestly don't have a clue how to best go about it. another reason i haven't pulled the stopper out yet. I don't really want it to take on a course of it's own. if that make sense. Obviously i'd like to use it as a road map back to here. But i understand there will be the folks that don't want to leave the comfy nestle of the facebook format and create a new account in a BBS.

Really open to suggestions as to how to best use that tool.

[Greg_L]

I will never use the faceboook version, so it probably will be very successful.

[WhiskeyJack]

I will never use the faceboook version, so it probably will be very successful.

Therin lies the problem. The magic happens here. I would prefer magic not happen in two different areas.

[Tadpui]

I will never use the faceboook version, so it probably will be very successful.

Therin lies the problem. The magic happens here. I would prefer magic not happen in two different areas.

Good question. It wouldn't be so bad just to be a presence in such groups, even if you're not hammering it every day. The occasional like and reply to others' stuff always helps, and doesn't reek of desperation like a lot of the posts in that group.

I can't be too hard on that group, it is what it is. Not everybody there is annoying. There is a substantial amount of self-promotion happening, and it's definitely true that there isn't much interaction on peoples' promotional posts. But there is some discussion here and there. Popping in with some helpful tips from time to time certainly wouldn't hurt the RR brand.

[liv_rong]

I am a member of a FB group called something like "home recording for everyday musicians". It seemed like a good name but its mostly pictures of insane studios and drummers and musicians posting their services. There is very few songs posted and when there are there is very little comments. I should leave that group/.

[rayc]

Seems the unhappy Tom Goodson hasn't been back to the page for a few days. I looked back through his posts - he's only active around the drop of a new miracle from his mind.

[CrowsofFritz]

Agree about sensitive people. I got multiple critiques every time I posted something on HR. I’d always say thanks, and that I’d change it, and 3/4s of the time I thought “nah.”

Eventually everyone there knew I’m a sloppy player who just doesn’t give a damn

Never once berated someone for a critique, but man did I have my fair share of people who didn’t like what I had to say about theres. There was one time someone posted a Hallelujah cover that sounded weird because he was doing all these weird jumps and trills in the song. I told him he should just sing it straight and posted a crappy iPhone recording just to demonstrate what I meant. He was offended and another dude was saying my recording didn’t even sound good. Didn’t detract from my point, though.

There’s people like that in all ages, I’ve found. I mostly spend my time at open mics now because I’ve found nobody there gives a damn how shitty you are, and people are always open to advice, including myself.

[rayc]

I went back to "participate" which is something not many in there do but was accused of DAW War mongering for suggesting that getting Reaper was a better/cheaper option that buying the latest Cubase upgrade. Some dud even told me it was a Cubase feed and that I didn't belong there killing their buzz.
Meanwhile. I've seen/heard enough "Produsahz" there to know that it hold nothing even for a relative noob like me.

[rayc]

I "left the group" as they say. Too tedious and nothing to be learnt from them.

[Tadpui]

I "left the group" as they say. Too tedious and nothing to be learnt from them.

I'm still hanging around, popping in on the occasional thread there. You're right, tedious is a good word for most of the posts there. There have been a couple of gems posted so far, which I appreciate. But a lot of chaff as well.

[vomitHatSteve]

here was one time someone posted a Hallelujah cover that sounded weird because he was doing all these weird jumps and trills in the song. I told him he should just sing it straight and posted a crappy iPhone recording just to demonstrate what I meant. He was offended and another dude was saying my recording didn’t even sound good. Didn’t detract from my point, though.

You can save some effort and just post this video next time: [BBvideo=560,315]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnQiyfRYOgo[/BBvideo]

[rayc]

here was one time someone posted a Hallelujah cover that sounded weird because he was doing all these weird jumps and trills in the song. I told him he should just sing it straight and posted a crappy iPhone recording just to demonstrate what I meant. He was offended and another dude was saying my recording didn’t even sound good. Didn’t detract from my point, though.

You can save some effort and just post this video next time: [BBvideo=560,315]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnQiyfRYOgo[/BBvideo]

I was lucky enough to Laughin' Lenny live and hear him do H complete with fedora.
One of the best gigs I've attended

[CrowsofFritz]

Lol funny video. I disagreed with a few things here and there but I agree with his overall point, for sure.