Biggest bunch of bullshit i have read thus far today. Fuck outta here with that talk liv.
put your shit up.
I don't always. It comes and goes for me. Right now I'm in a snare bottom phase.WhiskeyJack wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:34 pm
Interesting. I didn't think you did both. today i learned.
That was really helpful Greg - problem with VSTs is that there are just too many controls to fuck with - everything is adjustable and once you start adjusting without really knowing what you're doing you just end up with a mess - like anything else, really. I've only just recently started isolating the various components and understanding them better, and your tracks confirmed what I worked out the hard way - that a lot of the flavour of the snare sound is from the OHs, while the thud comes from the top mic.
In addition to just adjusting the levels between close mics and overheads, the EQ of the overheads also plays a big role in how the snare and kick pop on their own. If you want a tight modern kick sound, you kind of need to get it out of the overhead tracks. Same with the snare. But it's a delicate balance. And then there's compression. Compress the individual tracks? Compress the overheads? Bus all of them to a group and compress the kit as a whole? I don't know, but you better try all of it. Acoustic drums are the most difficult aspect of rock mixes to deal with. Everything messes with everything. You have to find the right balance between everything and everything. Lol.Armistice wrote: ↑Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:27 am
That was really helpful Greg - problem with VSTs is that there are just too many controls to fuck with - everything is adjustable and once you start adjusting without really knowing what you're doing you just end up with a mess - like anything else, really. I've only just recently started isolating the various components and understanding them better, and your tracks confirmed what I worked out the hard way - that a lot of the flavour of the snare sound is from the OHs, while the thud comes from the top mic.
Was always wondering why, when I got a decent sound, it was sometimes taking my head off - too much mic, not enough OH. But it's a real balance. Too much OH and not enough mic and it starts to sound distant.
The other learning is that, when you get a scale from 0 - 127 for these things, the snare always sounds crap under about 90 and the majority of the playing needs to be 100-115 or else you're just not "hitting" the "drum" very hard and so for rock music, you need to pound it a bit or it just sounds "light".
Obvious really, but I've watched a number of YouTube vids by people who claim expertise with these things and it's clear that not many of them actually know shit because they never get into OH/mic balance, selecting a good base sound from your range of drums for particular styles, how hard to "hit" or any of this other shit I've been working away at on my own.
Cheers
I like to hit sort of hard to make drums do noises.Greg_L wrote: ↑Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:50 am And yes, "hit" the fucking drums. Be it VSTi or real drums, light hitters are no good for rock music.
I saw this underage kid cover band recently and I let the drummer kid use my snare because his was straight garbage. When they were done, the kid thanked me and asked me how he did. When I say "kid" I'm saying he was like 19 or 20. Anyway, since I'm Greg I told him he kind of sucked. He had great technique and great chops, technically way better than me, but I couldn't really hear him because he played like a fucking pussy. All of his fancy rudiments and posture did nothing for his fucking power. I play with brushes harder than this dude did with sticks. I mean he didn't even play heel up on the kick. WTF. Pound that shit you fucking pissy vagina. I told him to hit the fucking drums next time. Anyway, that is all. Rock drums sound like ass unless you whack the shit out of them.
