Well okay, I think you've made more improvement. I think I still I hear reverb in the scratch mix, but it doesn't seem too bad.SweetDan wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:29 amHere they are, nice and fresh from about 20 minutes ago:
- the guitar bus, no f/x: http://eastofcleveland.com/m/se_idea_no ... noVerb.mp3
- the guitar bus, w/f/x: http://eastofcleveland.com/m/se_idea_no ... thVerb.mp3
- scratch mix, for comparison w/all my other posts: http://eastofcleveland.com/m/se_idea_no ... tchMix.mp3
These also incorporate Greg's suggestion of ditching the compression between the guitar and the amp (and I should note that the with the AC15 model up until now, I had not used the outboard comp between the guitar and the amp, but I *did* have some of the comp built-in f/x on the amp in the recording).
In tracking tonight without the comp (and with a lower gain, as suggested several pages back), I had to do even more eq tweaking on the amp itself to maintain the same overall aggressive feeling in the tracks. Using the amp's controls, I probably pushed the treble even higher and rolled the lows off even lower than in "attempt #4". I spent a bit of time with my head down by the speaker to get the tone as bright and clear as I could.
I'll attach the 3 guitar tracks from tonight, if anyone's interested in hearing them at their most raw form:
se_idea_noComp_highRhythm.mp3
left side in the mix:
se_idea_noComp_medRhythm.mp3
right side in the mix:
se_idea_noComp_lowRhythm.mp3
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By the way, thanks everybody who's offered suggestions on this.
All of the tracks still need more air, more presence, more top end clarity, whatever you wanna call it. They don't sound bad, but they lack shine. I think you're close enough now to get it with EQ in the DAW. I brought your tracks into my DAW and put a big ol high end shelf boost on the guitar tracks and they got pretty nice. I noticed the tracks "died" after around 3khz - a steep rolloff to virtually nothing in the high end. I know most speakers don't provide much info up in the high end, but yours seemed to die off faster than usual. That tells me your speaker is probably crapola....or maybe you're still not pushing it hard enough to get that air moving clarity you get from loud amps. I'm not sure which it is in your case. One other thing...no need to make stereo tracks out of mono guitar signals. One mic on one speaker is a mono set up. Your tracks were stereo. Totally unnecessary. This has nothing to do with the sound, but just FYI.
So, going over it, you've got a...
Tele (bright guitar)
Vox modeling combo that should be capable of doing something useful, set clean-ish and bright
SM57 dead center on the speaker (bright mic and bright mic placement)
No pedals or effects mucking up the guitar signal
With this setup you should be damaging ear drums with high end. So where is your clarity going? My next thought is that maybe this is just the way it is, unless there is something else going on that you haven't mentioned. An unlikely but possible variable is that you have the mic in a "hole". Usually the center of the speaker is searingly bright. But sometimes there is a hole in the sound coming from the middle of a speaker. Think of it like a fan. A fan blows air, but as you get close to the center hub, there's no air coming from that close, centered spot. Move just off-center, or move back a little, and whoosh, air blowing. A speaker can act the same way. Close and center is sometimes a little "sound hole" and it can sound dark and unclear.
So basically what I'd suggest next is to move the mic just off center now. Keep everything the same, everything, but move the mic to maybe like where the dustcap of the speaker meets the cone. That little seam. Mic it. No further off center than that. See if that wakes up the high end.
(i have a tonelab SE,your amp on the floor without the amp bit-ish)
