Soldering: Help a chap out.

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Re: Soldering: Help a chap out.

Post by Greg_L » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:12 pm

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Re: Soldering: Help a chap out.

Post by Tadpui » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:14 pm

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I'd start w/the computer-side of things first. Got linux? If so, see what you can dig up for troubleshooting help: https://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+ ... ot+working . This looks good: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound ... gProcedure (PM me if you start to dig into this but get stuck somewhere, since I had to do this kind of troubleshooting once-upon-a-time when I was recording into Audacity on Linux!) Only after investigating all that would I dig out the soldering iron (and even then I'd take out the board & sockets and double-check there wasn't a blown capacitor or loose wire or something).

Of course, I don't know if this helps you or your friend, assuming neither of you is using Linux for audio, but at least it might help you determine if it's truly a hardware issue or if there's a software/configuration gremlin adding to your troubles.
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Re: Soldering: Help a chap out.

Post by Greg_L » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:21 pm

Tadpui wrote:
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There's a whole bunch of nope in there.
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Re: Soldering: Help a chap out.

Post by JD01 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:28 pm

Tadpui wrote: the Superman III style supercomputer innards
Lol. How on earth do I remember exactly what you're talking about.

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Post by WhiskeyJack » Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:16 pm

Wow. On time delivery how about that!!! Tomorrow ill go grab some of the solder yall recommended. I am not so sure this is the stuff.

Very obviously made cheaply in China but heres hoping it does the trick!!!

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Post by Greg_L » Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:34 pm

Nice. Is the solder in that kit no good?
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Post by WhiskeyJack » Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:14 pm

Greg_L wrote:
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Nice. Is the solder in that kit no good?
To be honest, I only glanced really quick and and it didn't give me any particulars. I will look again when i get home and see what it's made of. I am sure it is perfectly suitable for getting going.
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Re: Soldering: Help a chap out.

Post by Greg_L » Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:20 pm

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To be honest, I only glanced really quick and and it didn't give me any particulars. I will look again when i get home and see what it's made of. I am sure it is perfectly suitable for getting going.
It will probably be good practice solder at the very least.
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Post by muttley » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:03 am

Yeh it will be fine.

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Post by WhiskeyJack » Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:24 pm

I dont think i can do this. This warning indicates i can not even turn it on. I am also unable to personally adjust the tempreature.

My neighbor used to be an electrician? Shoukd i get him to help me turn it on amd adjust the tempreature?

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Post by Greg_L » Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:29 pm

Lol it's a soldering iron, not a lightsaber. wtf.

You might want to find a way to see what the temp is though. Too hot can nuke a PCB pretty fast. Too cold makes bad solder joints. I keep mine around 700F-ish. That's plenty enough heat to do whatever us hack musician repairmans would ever need to do.
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Post by Minerman » Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:37 pm

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Lol it's a soldering iron, not a lightsaber. wtf.
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Post by muttley » Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:51 am

You'll be OK as long as you correctly install and wear you energized welding head... :like:

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Post by WhiskeyJack » Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:08 pm

First attempt didn't go so well. I decided against trying to do anything at the kitchen table as i am guessing the smoke and vapours emitted might not be good for the wife and dog? So my only choice beyond that was to go to the garage. my unheated garage. The temp was about -21C in there and my sponge iced over and got crunchy after about 10 mins. I managed to get to little pieces of braided wire soldered together but it took a while. I also thought i tinned the tip but i don't think i did that correctly.

I'll try again later on.
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Post by WhiskeyJack » Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:15 pm

While it is fresh in my mind. i'm sort of confused on the tip tinning stuff. Is it a procedure i am supposed to before starting? Before i shut everything off? between each weld?

In my mind if i tin tip and as i work wouldn't tinned tip just melt away as i start to perform work? Which would mean that before i stop working i would tin the tip before powering down?

Also a few tutorials i watched some guys use plumbers flux with the 60-40 rosin core stuff and some other guys don't.

Any of you got any thoughts on this?
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Post by Greg_L » Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:36 pm

You can work inside. The "fumes" are not enough to worry about. Run a little fan if you want. Your wife and dog might smell it but it's not going to kill any of yall. It's no worse than burning popcorn or lighting a match.

Tinning the tip....you want to tin the tip before you stick anything together. That means you might be tinning it multiple times. It's not a do it once and forget it kind of thing. Tinning the tip helps the solder flow quicker when sticking things together or desoldering. You really should probably tin the tip before you touch the iron to anything at any time. It just goes better that way. Tinning the tip just means you melt a tiny bit of solder on the iron before you do whatever you're about to do.

As you solder, the tip gets dirty and gunky from impurities within whatever you're working on. It's not unlike "slag" when welding. It's just mucky shit in the materials. Use the sponge or a fine wire brush to clean the tip as you work. Then re-tin. All of this makes soldering much easier and you get better solder connections.

Also, heat the parts a little before you touch the solder to them. Like one or two seconds then add solder. You're not just melting solder onto whatever you're working on. You want the solder to actually flow into the parts and join them together.
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Post by muttley » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:06 pm

Only prolonged exposure to the fumes would be hazardous. We are talking daily over years here...

Tinning is before every operation so my routine goes.

Start of session a light sand on the tip to remove old crud.
Tin with solder.
Wipe off on wet sponge.
tin again and apply heated iron to parts and then run the solder from the coil to the area next to the iron.
Remove tip, and solder simultaneously
Clean tip on sponge and set iron aside safely.

Its the crud and old solder that stops the area heating up to temp so a clean tip and fresh tinning is your friend.

You will see the solder flow where you want it to go when the area is hot enough.

I will try a do a short video of the process. In the mean time just practice soldering some wire together or getting the solder to flow along some stranded copper.

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Re: Soldering: Help a chap out.

Post by Greg_L » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:16 pm

muttley wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:06 pm
Only prolonged exposure to the fumes would be hazardous. We are talking daily over years here...

Tinning is before every operation so my routine goes.

Start of session a light sand on the tip to remove old crud.
Tin with solder.
Wipe off on wet sponge.
tin again and apply heated iron to parts and then run the solder from the coil to the area next to the iron.
Remove tip, and solder simultaneously
Clean tip on sponge and set iron aside safely.

Its the crud and old solder that stops the area heating up to temp so a clean tip and fresh tinning is your friend.

You will see the solder flow where you want it to go when the area is hot enough.

I will try a do a short video of the process. In the mean time just practice soldering some wire together or getting the solder to flow along some stranded copper.
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Re: Soldering: Help a chap out.

Post by Greg_L » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:17 pm

Another thing about tinning....when you can, also tin the wires/leads of whatever you're soldering prior to actually sticking them together. When the wires and iron tip are all tinned, they go together easily.
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