I dispute the idea that tele's are not versatile (with audio)

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Lets leave it there gerg...:)
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muttley wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:30 pm This is a great circle we are chasing each other around...

I submit to you that my V8 2 litre 1990 Transit is faster than any Alpah Remeo 4C because it has more of them.... :smug:
The problem with the engine comparison is that the number of cylinders doesn't mean all that much in the grand scheme of things if you're just looking for horsepower and speed. V8s are generally best for gas burning internal combustion engines, but just being any V8 isn't enough to outrun a better V6 or even a 4-cyl. A 1974 Cadillac El Dorado with 500 cubic inch V8 would get it's doors blown off by a stock V6 Camaro.
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muttley wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:33 pm Lets leave it there gerg...:)
Truce. We both got pretty miroslavian there for a while. :nyuk: :razz:
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Greg_L wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:39 pm
muttley wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:33 pm Lets leave it there gerg...:)
Truce. We both got pretty miroslavian there for a while. :nyuk: :razz:
Yeh, Lets be honest they are both shit

(except the tele)....

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Now lets get onto what sort of Jnr I should build for the board as a how to for you guys....

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this has been my most favorite thread ever.
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first off a strat doesn't HAVE to have three of the same p'ups. Just like Mutts tele is a custom it's super easy to have 3 totally different p'ups in a strat.

Personally I have my strat wired with 3 mini toggles so I can use any p'up in any phase.
I use that a LOT and it would not be available on my tele.
However my tele has a twang that's amazing.
But I like all my guitars and though I primarily use the Stinnett, it's more about the neck and playability than the sound.
I can pretty much get close to any sound I want with any of them.

So I still say that ALL guitars are versatile .... I can do anything with any guitar .... so can mutt ..... so can greg.
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Lt. Bob wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:02 pm so can greg.
No no. I can make any guitar sound like the same piece of swamp-ass.
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Greg_L wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:03 pm
Lt. Bob wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:02 pm so can greg.
No no. I can make any guitar sound like the same piece of swamp-ass.
Well, since you get about the best rock sounds ever I'm gonna argue that's not correct.
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rammer24 wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:35 pm Once you put amp sims into the equation, I think what guitar/pick-ups you have become less important than with a real amp. I think amp sims make any guitar versatile.
I've found amp sims remove any inherent character a guitar has.

They will make a great guitar sound mediocre. The plus side is that they will make a shitty guitar sound acceptable.

I guess that explains why so many home recordists 'prefer' shit instruments and poo poo on more expensive quality instruments.
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Lt. Bob wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:02 pm first off a strat doesn't HAVE to have three of the same p'ups. Just like Mutts tele is a custom it's super easy to have 3 totally different p'ups in a strat.

Personally I have my strat wired with 3 mini toggles so I can use any p'up in any phase.
I use that a LOT and it would not be available on my tele.
However my tele has a twang that's amazing.
But I like all my guitars and though I primarily use the Stinnett, it's more about the neck and playability than the sound.
I can pretty much get close to any sound I want with any of them.

So I still say that ALL guitars are versatile .... I can do anything with any guitar .... so can mutt ..... so can greg.
Even with three of the same pickups, just by the position of each one, they will sound different.

I agree pretty much with "all guitars are versatile". The versatility is in the domain of the player.
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Roman wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:14 pm
I've found amp sims remove any inherent character a guitar has.

They will make a great guitar sound mediocre. The plus side is that they will make a shitty guitar sound acceptable.

I guess that explains why so many home recordists 'prefer' shit instruments and poo poo on more expensive quality instruments.
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I agree. I've been saying it for a long time, and I have been met with much butthurt about it, but I've always maintained that a sim just does not care what you feed it. A sim will notice the difference between a single coil and a humbucker. But after that, no difference. It can be a no-name $10 garage sale guitar made out of popsicle sticks and duct tape with rusty strings or a priceless 59 Les Paul. If you use sims, they are the same.
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Lt. Bob wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:05 pm
Well, since you get about the best rock sounds ever I'm gonna argue that's not correct.
Well thanks, but I think it's my gear. Good guitars and good amps and good cabs and good speakers go a long way. I'm gonna go against the accepted line of thinking and say the tone is not in my fingers. :lollers2:
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I can vouch for that since I've gone to sims. I almost feel like I can close my eyes, grab one of my guitars (Strat, Epi SG, or Gibson SG), and the tone will be only slightly different at most. I will have to compensate for the hotness of the pick as far as how much gain I use in the sim. But the sound will be pretty much the same.
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^^^^^^^^Oooops...Should have used the quote function. I was respondng to Roman and Greg talking about sims.
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Sims are totly inorganic. I hate them. As gerg says... guitar of choice, good amp, good speakers. Sims are just the "new" midi.. soulless things. OK for adverts and porn tracks but after that... zero personality.
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sorry rammeri not having a go. but..
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What are you apologizing for, muttleri? I already made it clear that I agree with you and explained why I'm using sims for now.
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Lt. Bob wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:02 pmPersonally I have my strat wired with 3 mini toggles so I can use any p'up in any phase.
I was gonna mention this, as the Ibanez I had back in the day had 3 mini toggles...There are sounds you can't get with a traditional 5 way or 3 way switch, but I was keeping it along the lines of a stock strat/tele...
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miroslav wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:01 pm So then it's just about the extra, middle pickup...?
So if thats the case a 'really' versatile guitar might be a three pickup LP custom with a floyd rose and a split/ series/parallel/out of phase switches on it.

Or a Roland synth guitar
Or a Variax.

But who the hell wants to play those damn things?

One of the guys I grew up with (not literally) was Leslie West from Mountain. The sounds/tones (versatility) he could get from a Les Paul Jr, which was not considered to be a 'versatile' instrument and actually was just a student guitar, were amazing. One pickup, one vol and one tone.

Later, EVH came along and did amazing things and rocked the world of guitar players with even less. One pickup, one volume.

I contend the versatility of an instrument is in the hands of the player. Sure some guitars are more 'versatile' than others, but in the end it's a tool and the player uses it well....or not.

Just because you buy a guy for Christmas a full set of Snap On or Mac tools, has no bearing on if he's a better mechanic because of it.
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