When fading-out the end of a tune, do you...?

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rammer24 wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:01 pm No, that might have been better. They ll just played softer and softer. It was hilarious.
Funny^^^

On the fade......

As earlier stated, I've always done my fades pre-mastering. I don't know if working in the analog domain changes anything, but that's how I've always done it. When it went to mastering I've never noticed any adverse effects by fading in the mix. It always just came back sounding better.
The only mastering things I've noticed being non optimum is reverb becoming less subtle. So, in anticiptaion, I'd put less reverb in the mix.

Now that I'm working with PT, I'm rethinking this subject.

So far I've not had anything I mixed in the digital domain mastered. I have no idea how mastering would help or hurt my projects.

But, responses here have gotten me rethinking everything.
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Roman wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:08 am As earlier stated, I've always done my fades pre-mastering. I don't know if working in the analog domain changes anything, but that's how I've always done it.
How do you fade in the analog world? Don't you have to do it in real time as your recording into your 2 track? Wouldn't you need about 24 hands to do that?
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rammer24 wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:54 am
Roman wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:08 am As earlier stated, I've always done my fades pre-mastering. I don't know if working in the analog domain changes anything, but that's how I've always done it.
How do you fade in the analog world? Don't you have to do it in real time as your recording into your 2 track? Wouldn't you need about 24 hands to do that?
1 metre ruler.
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JD01 wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:26 am 1 metre ruler.
Holy shit. Never thought of that. Makes perfect sense. I've read stories about the Beatles or other bands in the 60's mixing their tunes and assigning 5 different people 2 faders each to do certain things, etc....But I guess a fade isn't all that difficuly with a ruler.
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JD01 wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:26 am 1 metre ruler.
That'd be the difference between an engineer and an Engineer, wouldn't it? :D
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exactly.
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rammer24 wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:54 am
Roman wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:08 am As earlier stated, I've always done my fades pre-mastering. I don't know if working in the analog domain changes anything, but that's how I've always done it.
How do you fade in the analog world? Don't you have to do it in real time as your recording into your 2 track? Wouldn't you need about 24 hands to do that?
No. Just a finger or two. :chillin

As ancient as working with analog may seem, most consoles had a 2 track master buss. You just slide it down to zero. :lollers2:
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Yeah, I wasn't thinking. Of course, you're right. I shouldn't post until I've had at least 2 coffees.
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It is a more complicated real time activity. But more rewarding in many ways. I'll be riding individual faders, muting, unmutiing, etc on the fly. It is a musical dance and a performance on it's own.

But the final fade is easy peasy. Just pull down the master.
:D
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I'll do fades in the mix, and often enough not all of it on the master fader. Not all the tracks necessarily get the same slope.
Then on the mastering session might make adjustments once I hear their timing in context.
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I usually do fades during mastering. I set up a sub-master channel for all the VST's used in the mastering chain and leave the master bus empty. Then I do the fade on the volume envelope on the master buss. It becomes a master volume control, which doesn't affect any of the VST's such as compression, EQ, etc. that would otherwise be affected if I used the volume envelope on the sub-master channel.
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Roman wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:40 pm It is a more complicated real time activity. But more rewarding in many ways. I'll be riding individual faders, muting, unmutiing, etc on the fly. It is a musical dance and a performance on it's own.

But the final fade is easy peasy. Just pull down the master.
:D
that's how I mix ...... on a board.
When you do it that way it really is a performance ..... and every mix is a little different too.
Since I don't record in puter world automation is not available to me
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